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Posted 1 Year ago
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I was really impressed by this episode. The director does a masterful job of depicting a form of magic that has nothing to do with fireballs and explosions. Instead it works through ritualistic alterations of perception and reality. Was Subaru fighting Sakurazukamori (sp?), or the girl who has trapped herself in a private world with the illusion of her lost lover - or his own unconscious, obsessed with his lost sister? Or all three at once? The spooky ambient music that is used for the first time in ep 9, plus the grim, unhappy shrine, somehow complement the rich and slightly trippy visual style perfectly.

It's a good thing I rented the 'Tokyo Babylon' OAVs a while back, otherwise I would have been completely lost in this episode. Probably the 'Tokyo Babylon' manga would have helped even more...
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Posted 1 Year ago
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Personally I would advise reading the TB manga. There is one girl (Leareth) who has done scanlations of nearly the whole thing. Not only does it put the whole setting of the Sei/Sub issue, in some ways it helps set up if not the plot in X, the dominant themes. Also IMHO TB is one of the best manga that CLAMP has ever written. A lot of the stories really make you *think* about what is right and wrong. The theme of the series is I believe the fact that not everyone can be happy, no matter how much you wish for that to be true (this pains Subaru a lot). That life simply doesn't work that way. BTW I hope you got the SUBBED versions of the TB OAVs - the dubbed versions change events drastically. A few people on the CLAMP ML have made comments that the X manga could in some ways be considered to be TB - the sequel considering the very strong focus on Subaru and his relationship with Seishirou and Kamui and the similarities between the major relationships playing out in X and what happened in TB. The anime plays down Subaru's role quite a bit though. A warning is that the TB manga contains m/m themes - stronger than what was shown in the OAVs anyway, just like the X TV series tones down what is shown in the manga.

As for the ritualistic changes in reality you mention - that is a speciality of the Sakurazukamori. They are capable of putting up what is known as maboroshi (?) or extremely strong illusions. Traditionally Subaru's clan and the Sakurazukamori are deadly enemies.
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Posted 1 Year ago
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Thanks for the pointer.

Interesting. So far (after 9 episodes) 'X TV' hadn't made me do any thinking about right and wrong, the 'Dragons of Earth' clearly have idiotic ideas about morality. Sure things may not be the best, the world is corrupt, blah blah blah, but only the dumbest of the dumb would think that such would countenance genocide. I'm having some difficulty feeling any empathy for those 'Dragons of Earth' so far, BTW. In an early episode when Kanoe says 'It's going to be so much fun' or something to that effect, my reaction was 'Is she nuts? I remember the from the 'X/1999 movie' that everybody dies, and nobody has much fun.' Of course I'm hoping that the TV show doesn't unfold in the same way as the movie, but still I bet a lot of 'em die before the end. (No spoilers please.)

Yes, I did, luckily. I thought the first one felt sort of bland with a generic corporate baddie as the antagonist, but that the second was pretty interesting and well-done.

How odd then that they are companions in the 'Tokyo Babylon' OAVs. Did Subaru not know who Sakurazukamori was at the time?

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Posted 1 Year ago
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I was talking about Tokyo Babylon actually. X does have some of the themes of TB but TB is stronger in them. Both stories in the TB OAVs are independent from the manga. But the first OAV was based on a story in the manga. The original story in the manga wasn't about a corporate thing but instead was about a woman whose daughter had been killed by a child-molestor. The criminal was judged to be not-guilty by reasons of insanity. The woman could not accept this. If the court could not kill him then she would herself, but if she did it overtly then the same courts that found him not guilty of murder would find her a 'good person' guilty of murder. So she did the whole inugami thing that you saw in the first OAV. Because if she killed him by a curse then how could anyone find her 'guilty' (the name of the story is 'guilty'. But in the TB/X world, use of magic will bring a backlash to the user. The more powerful the magic the stronger the backlash. Experts like Subaru can find ways to handle it, but it is likely the woman would have been killed by the backlash but she doesn't care. So he brings up the spirit of her dead little girl to tell her that she doesn't her mother to be hurt anymore. The mother can't hear the girl speak, but Subaru can. The spirit of the dead girl is in constant pain from her death and pleas for her mother to kill the man and take revenge for her and help relieve her of her pain. So what is the right decision to make? What is the 'good' thing to do in these circumstances. A lot of the stories are like this. The resolution is rarely 'neat' and clean.

I also like how it touches on themes like how old people are treated in modern Japan and the one about the plight of illegal immigrants in Japan. There is also a story about the unwillingness of Japanese people to become organ donors. There are also environmental themes running throughout TB.

If you watch the 2nd OAV you can see the whole scene under the sakura tree. I'm not sure if what I'm going to say is spoilers since what I am about to say never shows up in X but at the end of the TB manga, but well. The concise summary is they had an encounter when Subaru was a kid and Seishirou wiped his memory. For more details: S P O I L E R S MAYBE

When Subaru was 9 years old he wandered one day to Ueno park where he saw this beautiful cherry tree. Then basically what follows is the scene you saw in the 2nd OAV. The part where the wind blows is Seishirou saying that he will make a 'Bet' with him. The Sakurazukamori has to kill any witnesses. But he is interested in the young boy's innocence. So he makes a bet that later he will re-enter the boy's life and if after one year Subaru can make Seishirou feel something (the Sakurazukamori cannot feel emotions) then he, Seishirou would lose the Bet and would stay by Subaru's side forever. However if Subaru fails to make the Sakurazukamori feel anything then at the end of the year, Subaru will have lost the Bet and Seishirou would kill him. He then erases young Subaru's memory of what happened. Subaru has to wear the gloves because Seishirou put a mark on his hands which is the mark of the Sakurazukamori's prey. E N D S P O I L E R S

Also note that what happens to Subaru at the end of the X anime is very very very different to what happens to Subaru in the X manga. The point where they diverge is AFTER the Rainbow Bridge scene (you'll know what scene I'm talking about when you see it - hehe). Actually after the Rainbow Bridge scene the whole anime tends to diverge from the manga...But then again they had to finish it somehow and the manga still isn't finished.
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Posted 1 Year ago
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-my interpretation was that the girl with the ghostly boyfriend had dabbled enough in magic to have sent a sorcerous attack on Subaru. A part of it ended up drawing on images from Subaru's mind, which is dominated by his past involving Seishiro.

A question-what year was Tokyo Babylon made in? The very young Subaru and his sister look like a bunch of ravers with their goofy, highly stylized clothing
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Posted 1 Year ago
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clothing

CLAMP began Tokyo Babylon at the turn of the 90's.

And the reason Subaru and Hokuto look stupid is because Hokuto designs and picks out all their clothes ^_^ Hence why Subaru's dress-sense, although in Sakurazukamori mimicry, is substantially better in X ^_^

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